Chuck,

More or less, yes. My immediate point was just to point out the irony in avoiding reason in the age of reason. But what you say is more or less true, too. I don't think you can use logic/reason to bring a person to faith, not all the way anyway, but it can be a big part of the process. And if you reason correctly you can hardly avoid it. It takes an amazing spiritual blindness not to see the implications.

But I do think teaching logic/reason is avoided in public education. To some extent this is just by passive neglect, and in some cases it is deliberate. Remember Obama's friend Bill Ayers (I think that is his name) in the education department at the U of Chicago. Some liberals have infiltrated education departments for a reason (pun not intended). And they don't want people learning to think rationally for themselves. At the end of the day they don't believe in right or wrong, only power to control. So they want you to do what you are told, not think for yourself. I know I'm walking on thin ice a little, because there are a lot of good people in public education working hard, some of them doing great work, but most unwittingly going along within the system. And the system isn't designed for free thinkers.

One example of what happens when they try to promote proper thinking in public education is when they try to teach what they call 'critical thinking.' They don't teach proper reasoning, they just take a pet project, like global warming, and make sure the students are all indoctinated and emotionally charged against anyone who doubts it.

A friend of mine who is a retired prof from the U of Ottawa was in a debate with a feminist one time. He trounced her in the debate, and her only response was, "I don't accept your phallo-centric logic." It's the old, "your dead, white man way of thinking doesn't work for me" tactic.

But the bottom line is, if they want you to think what they want you to think about feminism, environmentalism, abortion, oil rigs, global warming, 'undocumented workers', homosexuals/AIDS, socialized medicine, evolution, and on and on, they can't allow you to reason for yourselves.

"Come, let use reason together..." Isaiah 1:18